Nadene Goldfoot
Newsvine website out of Seattle, Washington, has come up with an article saying that David Ben Gurion, one of Israel's founding fathers and true Zionist, was in agreement with John Kerry's UN speech condemning Israel. Newsvine is owned by NBC. They are rather leftist in their comments, and naturally would be defending Kerry and Obama. Everything comes down to what party, the left or the right, the writers are on.
The writer of this article was Gershom Gorenberg. He was basing his supposition on one thing: "The founding prime minister of Israel had rejected a proposal by Gen. Yigal Allon to conquer the West Bank, and instead signed an armistice agreement with Trans-Jordan. (I didn't notice this statement in his speech to the Knesset. It may have come up in the rebuttle from one of the Knesset members.
Did Gershom Gorenberg ever consider the date of 1949 being quite a different time from 2016? Population numbers were different then, too. Ben Gurion never stopped being a leader of Zionism, but the time wasn't right then to conquer the West Bank-which we refer to with it's real names of Judea and Samaria. West Bank was a name given to this area by the Jordanians. It's the land on the west side of the Jordan River. It's the land given to the tribe of Judah by Moses and then Joshua. We Jews are from the tribe of Judah, and some of Benjamin.
The article was listed as something Gurion said on April 4, 1949. I had to search for a while, then found it listed as something Gurion said to his Knesset on that date. He was talking about how they had handled agreements after their War of Independence. It was a debate period as after his speech, others commented and had their say.
Ben Gurion spoke first about having the agreements with the island of Rhodes. They had already done agreements with Egypt, Lebanon and Transjordan. He realized these were only decisions concerning the war and had nothing to do with their political decisions. It was about 4 pages long, and I could not copy or print it out.
I saw nothing connecting what Kerry had condemned Israel about and Ben Gurion's speech that was used as a reference to back Kerry's crazy position.
A lot of water has gone under the bridge since 1949. Evidently the countries couldn't be held to their word, since they all attacked Israel again and again after The War of Independence that started on November 29, 1947 and ended in 1949. About 5 minutes after Israel declared itself a state on May 14, 1948, Egypt, Transjordan, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon and also a Saudi- Arabian contingent continued attacking.
This war had begun as a civil war between the Arab and Jewish communities of the land after November 29, 1947. The war was started by the Arabs who refused to accept the UN partition resolution. From the beginning fo April 1948, units of Arab irregulars crossed into the country from Syria, Lebanon and Egypt to reinforce local Arabs in their attacks upon Jewish localities and in an attempt to block the roads.
On May 14, 1948, the territory of Israel was invaded by the regular armies of Egypt, Transjordan, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon and the Saudi contingent. Azzam Pasha, Secretary-General of the Arab League, announced in Cairo of their intention to exterminate the Jews and they planned to massacre them all. The attack would be like the Mongolian massacres and Crusades.
I shudder to realize that these people wanted to emulate the worst of the worst people of history and saw nothing wrong with such blood-letting. And what did the Jews do to them to deserve such hatred, to make them so terribly blood-thirsty?
They finally returned, like the swallows of Capistrano, to their own native land after 2,000 years of being treated like drek, (dirt), in so many countries and at so many periods during these years. They had been constantly crucified by people who had taken up Christianity and turned a hatred upon Jews who they were told had killed their god.
Whereas the Muslims, who had become such in about 620, had been friendly to Jews without a home that knew peace, changed radically with the instigation of their leader who had been given political power by the Brits, Haj Amin al-Husseini, the new Sherif in town; Sherif of Jerusalem. He wasn't about to give it up at the end of the Brit's mandate. They attacked the Jews in a pogrom in 1929, a year carrying disappointment and suicides all the way from the USA with their crash of the stock market.
Kerry's remarks of his self defense just don't hold water. Obama will go down as the worst president since Jimmy Carter for the security of Israel. Both are Democrats, too. Carter's worst for Israel came out in the books he wrote after his presidency. It's like a freudian slip for both of them. Obama's worst for Israel comes days before his 2nd term is ending. Here's what both did.
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| August 16, 1948 issue David Ben Gurion (Oct. 16, 1886-Dec 1, 1973) Prime Minister of Israel |
Newsvine website out of Seattle, Washington, has come up with an article saying that David Ben Gurion, one of Israel's founding fathers and true Zionist, was in agreement with John Kerry's UN speech condemning Israel. Newsvine is owned by NBC. They are rather leftist in their comments, and naturally would be defending Kerry and Obama. Everything comes down to what party, the left or the right, the writers are on.
Did Gershom Gorenberg ever consider the date of 1949 being quite a different time from 2016? Population numbers were different then, too. Ben Gurion never stopped being a leader of Zionism, but the time wasn't right then to conquer the West Bank-which we refer to with it's real names of Judea and Samaria. West Bank was a name given to this area by the Jordanians. It's the land on the west side of the Jordan River. It's the land given to the tribe of Judah by Moses and then Joshua. We Jews are from the tribe of Judah, and some of Benjamin.
The article was listed as something Gurion said on April 4, 1949. I had to search for a while, then found it listed as something Gurion said to his Knesset on that date. He was talking about how they had handled agreements after their War of Independence. It was a debate period as after his speech, others commented and had their say.
Ben Gurion spoke first about having the agreements with the island of Rhodes. They had already done agreements with Egypt, Lebanon and Transjordan. He realized these were only decisions concerning the war and had nothing to do with their political decisions. It was about 4 pages long, and I could not copy or print it out.
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| David Ben Gurion immigrated to Palestine from Poland in 1906. He had high hopes then. A very active man, he entered leadership roles immediately. |
A lot of water has gone under the bridge since 1949. Evidently the countries couldn't be held to their word, since they all attacked Israel again and again after The War of Independence that started on November 29, 1947 and ended in 1949. About 5 minutes after Israel declared itself a state on May 14, 1948, Egypt, Transjordan, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon and also a Saudi- Arabian contingent continued attacking.
On May 14, 1948, the territory of Israel was invaded by the regular armies of Egypt, Transjordan, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon and the Saudi contingent. Azzam Pasha, Secretary-General of the Arab League, announced in Cairo of their intention to exterminate the Jews and they planned to massacre them all. The attack would be like the Mongolian massacres and Crusades.
They finally returned, like the swallows of Capistrano, to their own native land after 2,000 years of being treated like drek, (dirt), in so many countries and at so many periods during these years. They had been constantly crucified by people who had taken up Christianity and turned a hatred upon Jews who they were told had killed their god.
Kerry's remarks of his self defense just don't hold water. Obama will go down as the worst president since Jimmy Carter for the security of Israel. Both are Democrats, too. Carter's worst for Israel came out in the books he wrote after his presidency. It's like a freudian slip for both of them. Obama's worst for Israel comes days before his 2nd term is ending. Here's what both did.
Obama's dealings: Last Friday, the U.S. abstained from UN Security Council Resolution 2334, allowing it to pass, after vetoing a similar resolution in 2011. Resolution 2334 declares the Israeli presence in areas won from Jordan in the defensive Six Day War in 1967 — including the Old City of Jerusalem and the rest of the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) — to be illegal. Effectively, it denies Jewish claims to historical and religious sites that have been holy to, and inhabited by, Jews for millennia.
Carter's dealings: A similar resolution in 1979, UN Security Council Resolution 446 — from which then-President Jimmy Carter also abstained, allowing it to pass — declared that settlements in the West Bank “have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East.” However, Resolution 2334 goes further, specifically including “East Jerusalem” as a “settlement,” and calling settlements “a flagrant violation under international law and a major obstacle to the achievement of the two-State solution and a just, lasting and comprehensive peace” (emphasis added).
Both men should have checked with Professor Eugene Kontorovich, international lawyer who teaches at Northwestern University in Illinois. Northwestern University (NU) is a private research university based in Evanston,Illinois, with campuses in Chicago, Illinois; and Doha, Qatar. He would tell them that Israel has the right to live on land won in the 1967 attack on them by the Arab nations. Incidentally, the land was promised to Israel in the 1st place and Jordan had stolen it after gaining land east of the Jordan River with the British nod of approval. Yes, the British mandate holders were to help Jews create the Jewish Homeland with Palestine, not give away 80% of it which they did.
Now, what do you think David Ben Gurion would say about it all today to know that Israel was still defending their right to survive after 69 years?
http://jcpa.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/KnessetDebatesVol2.pdfhttp://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/
Scan down to Armistice Agreement with Arab Countries, setting 20, 4 April 1949; page 497-500.
20170102_Krauthammer__A_shameful_legacy_moment_for_Obama.htmlhttps://johnib.wordpress.com/2016/12/29/krauthammer-damage-from-kerrys-israel-speech-is-meaningless-nobody-will-remember-it-in-a-month-un-resolution-is-now-enshrined-in-international-law/
Facts About Israel, division of Information, Ministry for Foreign Affairs, JerusalemThe New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia
Scan down to Armistice Agreement with Arab Countries, setting 20, 4 April 1949; page 497-500.
20170102_Krauthammer__A_shameful_legacy_moment_for_Obama.htmlhttps://johnib.wordpress.com/2016/12/29/krauthammer-damage-from-kerrys-israel-speech-is-meaningless-nobody-will-remember-it-in-a-month-un-resolution-is-now-enshrined-in-international-law/
Facts About Israel, division of Information, Ministry for Foreign Affairs, JerusalemThe New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia
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