Nadene Goldfoot
The debate was between Jason Greenblatt who thought he was good for the Jews, and had served as Trump’s Special Envoy to the Middle East and worked for him for 20 years, and Rahm Emanuel, former mayor of Chicago and former chief of staff to President Obama, and US Ambassador to Japan. who said he was not. It became praising Trump and Obama.
Moderated by SAPIR Editor-in-Chief Bret Stephens, this is a timely, unsparing exchange on identity, power, politics — and what it means to stand with the Jews in America today. During the 2016 United States presidential election campaign, Stephens became part of the Stop Trump movement, regularly writing articles for The Wall Street Journal opposing Donald Trump's candidacy and becoming "one of Trump's most outspoken conservative critics". Stephens has compared Trump to Italian dictator Benito Mussolini. After Trump was elected, Stephens continued to oppose him: in February 2017, Stephens gave the Daniel Pearl Memorial Lecture at the University of California, Los Angeles, and used the platform to denounce Trump's attacks on the media. His opposition to Trump continued after he moved to the Times. For instance, in 2018 he argued that by the same logic Republicans used to justify the impeachment of Bill Clinton, they should impeach Trump.
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They were given 4 minutes each to start with, then 3 minutes of rebuttal. I didn't even realize they had started; thought they were just chatting about the discussion, and I've been a judge in real debates at a high school.
I thought Jason was very clear in his defense and why, but couldn't put my finger on Rahm's reasons why not, though he did speak fast, and I am old. On debating, I'd give Jason the medal. Actually, I think Trump has done much for Israel, more than any other president.
I found out that the BBC cuts off Jason but the Hungarians are worse than Al Jazeera is in cutting anything he says. They brought up Charlottesville and the Universities in their allowing anti-Semitism. The also brought up politics with Iran and the missiles raining on Israel from them.
So here I go. From what I know, Israelis appreciate Trump very much. I never did think Obama was really for Israel or Netanyahu at all, especially when he and his contingent went to Washington and had to go through the back door as I remember. I think they were snubbed and I wondered what they'd do for dinner. It was a bad scene.
A town was named for Trump in Israel, showing how much they appreciated him, for he had okayed the capital as Jerusalem and had the Embassy building moved there when other presidents alluded to doing it but never did. It showed this was a change from Democrats to Republicans backing Israel which was a shock. Trump started the Abraham Accords and was there to sign on.
They spoke of the college campuses and its anti-Semitic acts. Also Josh Shapiro thought that Biden's vice president didn't want him running with her for fear that his being Jewish would hold her back. There is anti-Semitism in both the Democrat and Republican parties that each was aware of. Obama evidently legitimatized some of it.
Rahm remembered the Houthis being bombed by USA over the ships which caused them to shoot missiles at Israel; and USA did nothing to help. He also brought up the tariff Trump was charging Israel and said that right now Israel is in bad shape economically, so its a bad time for a tariff, but I remember Netanyahu expressing immediately that they would certainly pay it. He was happy that Trump got out Alexander, the American/Israeli from Hamas. The worst thing was Trump's letter to Harvard that did not mention once, (anti-Semitism) in the acts happening there. It was more of a politically speaking letter. Greenblatt still was in a thankful mood toward what the USA had done for Jews in allowing to enter and experience freedom that they had not been able to have from any other country.
There are orthodox rabbis in the states backing Trump for religious reasoning. A large Christian group in the USA also backs Israel.
Most all my family and friends are Democrats and are against Trump. Jews go back to Democrat Roosevelt believing he had something to do with their being allowed entry after the door closed on most in the 20s. When you are conflicted like so many of us that could be on this question, you are experiencing cognitive dissonance. Read Steve Henwood's videos about that and how to resolve it.
Resource:
https://www.92ny.org/event/sapir-debates-is-donald-trump-good-for-the-jews
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bret_Stephens
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Greenblatt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc6qikfnH-H4UVsOSM9j17Q
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