Wednesday, October 9, 2024

Y Haplogroups of Jews and Persians: Are They The Same?

 Nadene Goldfoot                                            

                  Attacking Amaleks During the Exodus of Israelites

The Israelites were the children of Jacob who later experienced a name change to Israel.  They had moved to Egypt during a drought where they lived and was granted land to live on by the pharaoh. Later on with another pharaoh, they became the slaves of Egypt.

Jews lived in Persia as part of the people taken by the Assyrians back in 721 BCE or 2,745 years ago.  They were there during Queen Esther's period born c 492-460 BCE .    ESTHER (Heb. אֶסְתֵּר), daughter of Abihail, an exile at *Susa, and heroine of the Book of Esther. She was orphaned as a child, and her cousin *Mordecai adopted her and brought her up.

Why the interest in Iran?  They have become Israel's #1 enemy.  Again, Iran, once called Persia, has a leader bound and determined to carry out the first Ayatolla's plot to kill all Jews.  This would mean the destruction of Israel and the other 8 million Jews in the world.  It started with Haman of Persia, a member most likely of the Amaleks, a tribe existing long ago during the Exodus of Jews led by Moses from Egypt to Canaan who were like a wandering tribe of scavenger people, killing off the aged and those needing assistance at the end of the Exodus procession that became easy marks.   It is said that Haman was a member of the Amaleks.  The date of the Exodus varies from happening in 1445 BCE  1250 BCE which would have happened about 3,464 years ago to 3,274 years ago.  

Iran's people had been ruled by the Shah of Iran and got along with Israel, but the Ayatollah somehow took over and the Shah was ousted.  The people have no reason to want to go to war with Israel today, and are not even happy with the ruling Ayatollah.  The Ayatollah's goal is to take over Israel. 

Y Haplogroup of Q:  Native Americans           

                                            


The slaves of Egypt who became today's Jews were made up of several family lines; and one was a line of Q's (genetic term of males) who originated with people making up today's native Americans of North America and South America.  The future Jews broke off from this line thousands of years ago to wander into today's land now Israel and became a part of that existing people.  Y haplogroup Q is believed to have originated in the region of Central Asia and Southern Siberia, with most research pointing to a timeframe around 15,000 to 25,000 years ago.I found a lot of writers to be male Q's.  They allowed me to be a part of the group, so they may share some common skills.  

Those people already living in Canaan must have been today's J1 and J2 line, as both male Jews and Muslims  are found to bear this Y haplogroup.  Y-chromosome haplogroup J, and its subgroups J1 and J2, are connected with origins in the Arabian Peninsula, Southern Europe and North Africa, and among many men of Ashkenazi Jewish, Arab Bedouin, Uygur and Uzbek origin. 

We find that King David was of this line, as well as Solomon, his son, and a majority of Jewish men today.  King Saul would be included, though he was of the tribe of Benjamin,  one of the 12 tribes of Jacob, where David came from the the tribe of Levi, also one of the 12 of Jacob.  That goes back to David who reigned  in Jerusalem about 1010 BCE or about 3, 035 years ago.  Y haplogroups J1 and J2 are believed to have originated in the region of Western Asia, specifically around the area of the Fertile Crescent, with the earliest evidence appearing around 31,600 years ago, with both being subclades of the broader haplogroup J which also originated in the same region;

Neanderthals lived from approximately 400,000 to 40,000 years ago: 
Time period
Description


130,000 years ago

Y-chromosome haplogroup J1 and J2 are subgroups of haplogroup J, which originated in Western Asia around 42,900 years ago:  This was in the era of the Neanderthals.  
The best-known Neanderthals lived during this time


40,000 years ago
All physical evidence of Neanderthals vanishes
Why?   It is a much older line than the Q's. 
Neanderthals were a species of hominids that lived in Europe and parts of Asia. They were the closest relatives to modern humans, and some humans today have around 2% Neanderthal DNA.  I'm Jewish with 2% Neanderthal DNA. 

Scientists believe that Neanderthals and modern humans shared a common ancestor in Africa that lived around 800,000 years ago. The Neanderthal ancestor then evolved into Homo neanderthalensis in Europe and Asia, while the human ancestor remained in Africa and evolved into Homo sapiens. However, my paternal grandmother and grandfather came from Lithuania !  

   Why are Jews the scapegoats of the Ayatollas?  

Iran is made up of Shi'ite Muslims.  The other  Arab states they are connected to are Sunnis.   Each group is vying to be the  leadingcountry of the others.  It's like a horse race.  

 It seems as if the Ayatollas come from the line of the Amaleks with their convictionthat the Jews must be wiped out.   

Since the Ayatollas are Persian, we can look at their Y haplogroups.  "The most common Y-chromosome haplogroups in Iran are J, R, G, and E. The J2 subclade is the most prevalent, followed by R1a, E1, J1, G2, R1b, and T1. Here are some other Y-chromosome haplogroups found in Iran: B, C, D, F, H, I, L, N, O, Q, T: These are other main haplogroups found in Iran.  A test would be needed to tell what line they belong to.  There are many possibilities. 

Most Iranian people feel they have no reason to hate Israel.  They are not of thesame mind as the Ayatollas.  They are not happy with their rule.    

J2: This haplogroup spread from the Iranian plateau into the Indian subcontinent during the Neolithic period. 

In this survey, 938 Iranian male DNAs belonging to 15 ethnic groups from 14 Iranian provinces were analyzed for 84 Y-chromosome biallelic markers and 10 STRs. The results show an autochthonous but non-homogeneous ancient background mainly composed by J2a sub-clades with different external contributions. 

Y-chromosome haplogroups can be used to study human migration, evolutionary patterns, and genealogical studies. They can also be used in forensic science. 

Their haplogroup does not show any reason for Persian/Iranian Ayatollas to need to kill Jews.  It's simply a matter of power over the other line ofIslam:  that of the Sunnis vs the Ayatollas and their Shi'ite belief system.  Haman being from the tribe of Amalek shows only that there is a  strain of envy running  throughout the people which came came out in him.  Mordecai would not bow to him and Haman craved that power.  

While there may be some slight differences in the frequencies of specific Y-haplogroups between Shia and Sunni Arab populations, overall, the genetic distinction between Shia and Sunni Muslims is not primarily driven by their religious sect but rather by their geographic origins and historical admixture, meaning there is no single "Shia" or "Sunni" haplogroup; both groups share a significant overlap in their Y-chromosome haplogroups, with the most prevalent ones being J1 and J2 in the Middle East region

However, this may have started a cultural pattern picked up again by the Ayatollas. This sort of anti-Semitism seems to run in many cultures, from the ancient days tothe present; especially in Europe.  It's as if anti-Semitism is genetically inherited.  


Resource:  

https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/who-were-the-neanderthals.html#:~:text=Neanderthals%20lived%20alongside%20early%20modern,Read%20more

https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/who-were-the-neanderthals.html#:~:text=Neanderthals%20lived%20alongside%20early%20modern,Read%20more

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3399854/#:~:text=Structure%20of%20the%20Y%2Dchromosome,ethnic%20groups%20(Figure%201).&text=Frequencies%20of%20the%20main%20Y,and%20Pakistan%20%5B24%5D).

https://www.encyclopedia.com/philosophy-and-religion/bible/old-testament/esther

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Shia_Muslims

https://www.yourdnaguide.com/ydgblog/haplogroup-j-j1-j2


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