tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1787272385367494897.post2309421948120019519..comments2023-10-26T16:38:37.859-07:00Comments on Jewish Bubba: Are Palestinians Canaanites? Nadene Goldfoothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01654020384945801380noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1787272385367494897.post-14668692723183510222018-04-01T15:38:34.430-07:002018-04-01T15:38:34.430-07:00So apparently they found the mummies and everythin...So apparently they found the mummies and everything you wrote is bull <br /><br />http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/07/canaanite-bible-ancient-dna-lebanon-genetics-archaeology/zeRayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10526896807867359259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1787272385367494897.post-52932326447911078182016-05-13T10:23:46.498-07:002016-05-13T10:23:46.498-07:00Ahmad, what's this "The Canaanites were a...Ahmad, what's this "The Canaanites were also mentioned in the New Testament, long after the mythological kingdoms of Israel". Israel is in history, maybe only mythologically to you. What do you think of "The Old Testament and Israel that is written about? That's documentation right there, written by Moses, who is also regarded highly by the Islam religion as a prophet. That's not the only source one can find Israel mentioned, or Judah, which was the southern part of Israel. I suggest you read FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL before you knock Joan Peter's work. You should see her reference list. She could have had 2 PhD.s for it. Do you know that when she started her investigation, she was not on Israel's side? She was sympathetic to the Palestinian Arabs. What her investigation showed proved her wrong and she was big enough to realize it and share it with the world. She's to be commended. People like Chomsky are just plain jealous of her findings, because she proves him wrong. Nadene Goldfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01654020384945801380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1787272385367494897.post-87593344467809427712016-05-13T10:15:06.728-07:002016-05-13T10:15:06.728-07:00Bibical mythology? That's your assumption, as...Bibical mythology? That's your assumption, as most of your comments seem to be. We've got an awful lot of facts that have been proven found in our Bible. If you want me to read any papers of the authors you cite, you should post their website so I can read them. I've never heard of them. Oh, I know Joan Peters material has been refuted and by none other than Noam Chomsky himself, but she was decorated by USA presidents. She is a Christian news reporter, not a PhD, who did a greater job of investigating and digging out facts from actual sources than any Phd has done who attack Israel constantly like Finkelstein and Chomsky, and their PhDs are not in history. Chomsky is a linguist. Mark Twain was an American who happened to be a tourist and a great writer and just wrote what he saw. The rest I find hard to believe, especially about the farming. I need proof. I might remind you that Egypt didn't write much about the Jews, either, but we're finding a lot in their murals on the walls. They had the habit of erasing anything not complimentary to their country. I would say that the Middle East was highly biased, at least what you are speaking of. Oh, that business about Jews not marrying or interacting with non-Israelites; it happened. This was really at the end of the Israeli conquest. Moses had not been able to enter, and they were just settling in. The Exodus was said to have happened 480 years before Solomons's building the Temple. Solomon's reign was from 961 to 920 BCE. <br />Here's my work on our Jewish DNA: http://jewishfactsfromportland.blogspot.com/2010/01/what-haplogroup-we-be.html. Nadene Goldfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01654020384945801380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1787272385367494897.post-36981726217841293652016-05-13T08:58:50.541-07:002016-05-13T08:58:50.541-07:00I read all of your article but you seem not to hav...I read all of your article but you seem not to have either read recent genetic research like the one cited in my last comment or even my comment itself. The Canaanites were not killed in battle as that's biblical mythology, and they were never absorbed into the Israelites because the Israelites were strictly forbidden from marrying or interacting with non-Israelites. The Canaanites were also mentioned in the New Testament, long after the mythological kingdoms of Israel. Since the genetic research above has shown that the Palestinian people are distinct from Arabs, Jews and Egyptians, the only possible explanation is that they must be the descendants of the indigenous people of the land, the ancient Canaanites. The Palestinians were shown to be so close to the Jewish people and the only people that could be so close to the Jewish are the Canaanites. Whether the Canaanites were less developed than other is irrelevant. In any case, they weren't. Canaanites worshiped many gods, and all ancient civilizations sacrificed humans to their gods, including the Israelites for a period of time. Joan Peters book has been refuted by Yehoshua Porath and Norman Finklestein, who showed how she misused, omitted and miscalculated her papers. In fact Palestinians were migrating to Jordan and that's why today 29% of Jordan's population is of Palestinian origin. Mark Twain's account is unreliable and contradicts what we know about Palestine at the time. And it's also contradicted by the accounts of other chroniclers. The Palestinian people were farmers, and as early as the 18th century they were exporting high quality agricultural products to Europe. In 1948 Palestinians were producing three times as much as Jews in agricultural produce. Furthermore, all censuses, Ottoman and even pre-Ottoman, show a Muslim-Christian majority in Palestine throughout the centuries.<br />Herodotus, the father of history, mentions the Syro-Palestinians in 450 BCE, but never mentions the Jews as they didn't exist in the land or were insignificant squatters.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08866049139585176012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1787272385367494897.post-61977813152120348192016-05-13T07:32:03.267-07:002016-05-13T07:32:03.267-07:00Unknown, did you read the article or only the titl...Unknown, did you read the article or only the title. I wrote, "What was the Ydna of Canaanites? Nobody can know. The same people of yesterday are not alive in order to test. There are no mummies of Canaanites. All that can be done is test people who think they may have some Canaanite heritage and see what it produces of what we do know today." <br /> The Y dna is the line of the males. Mt dna is the line of the females. We do not have evidence of Canaanites' dna. Most all Canaanites were killed in battle against the Israelites OR..those that lived were absorbed into the Israelite tribes, so their DNA could be sprinkled through the Israelites to reach the Jews of today. I have not read any papers by the men you cite above, but can't understand how they can make such assumptions. Yes, Israelites, led by Moses, then Joshua, took Canaan. The Canaanites were cited as being people who sacrificed humans-which many were used to doing-even Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son, Isaac. They worshipped trees and rocks, etc; kind of behind the times with from the thinking of the Israelites. Their development about social matters, life, etc was behind the new era that came with Moses. They were not a state, but the land was made up of little towns with leaders. It was behind much of Mesopotamia in their social development. <br />Now, the Palestinian people have been defined as to where they have come by the deep research of Joan Peters who wrote the facts in her book, FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL, which is about the Origins of the Arab-Jewish conflict over Palestine. She went to original papers as to where exactly these Arabs came from, and a lot came from Syria, and then all the other surrounding lands, near AND far. They were nomadic people before that, few and far between. By the time the 19th century CE came along, they were still nomadic except for a few landowners who treated the others working for them as peons. Read Mark Twain's accounting of Arabs in Palestine in his book, The Innocents Abroad, about his visit to the land in 1867. You will get a good picture of what they were like. <br />Another thought: The Palestinians are not a people. They are a mixture from many countries-but a people stemming from ancient roots; NO. It was the name given to the land by the Romans. Jews were also THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE after 135 CE. They were also called "Palestinians up to May 14, 1948 when the UN voted that they had created Israel and the state was accepted by them. Nadene Goldfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01654020384945801380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1787272385367494897.post-54301394340712669752016-05-12T23:03:27.507-07:002016-05-12T23:03:27.507-07:00The Palestinian people are the descendants of the ...The Palestinian people are the descendants of the ancient Canaanites as genetic research by Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, Nagah Elaiwa, Carlos Silvera, Ahmed Rostom, Juan Moscoso,<br />Eduardo Gómez-Casado, Luis Allende, Pilar Varela and Jorge Martínez-Laso has showed. Canaanites continued to exist and were even mentioned in the New Testament. The Jewish people originate from Ur and then became Egyptian slaves and came to Canaan as foreign conquerors as the Torah itself affirms. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03815856902280540003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1787272385367494897.post-30239727859402126802016-01-19T09:20:18.042-08:002016-01-19T09:20:18.042-08:00Aluminium Fish, I'm afraid you missed the whol...Aluminium Fish, I'm afraid you missed the whole narrative. They left their homes because of the promise of getting more by their leaders if they did. Their leaders wanted them out of the way so they could kill the Jews. They were not successful and the Jews won, instead. Now they had left their homes and their leaders told them to go live in the refugee camps. That's not hard to figure out, not a leap of logic. It's an example of pure greed that didn't pan out. Nadene Goldfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01654020384945801380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1787272385367494897.post-23359404493185099522016-01-18T08:06:29.604-08:002016-01-18T08:06:29.604-08:00That's quite a contorted narrative . Requires ...That's quite a contorted narrative . Requires a lot of mental gymnastics to swallow that one. People leaving their homes because of a dastardly plot to get them back?<br />That is quite a leap of logic.Aluminium Fishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08944242293842640629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1787272385367494897.post-8856967811344597722015-11-20T13:36:02.428-08:002015-11-20T13:36:02.428-08:00You are not accepting history that has been scient...You are not accepting history that has been scientifically proven with DNA. Everything I've said about our Jewish history is true. It's interesting that your father's name is from Hebrew and that he thinks he is the only kind of Jew in the world, but this is not true. We have many Jews who are also E haplogroup. My cousin is E-L117. Not all of us are J1 of the Cohen gene from Aaron, brother of Moses. We also have found black tribes who are Jewish and still practice Jewish customs, and are proven Jewish by actually having the Cohen gene. this is the Lemba tribe. They live in Central Africa, 40,000 in the tribe, speak Bantu languages such as Venda or shona, live in south Africa and Zimbabwe, look like everyone around them and appear to be completely African. Their customs were from Judaism. Tudor Parfitt wrote about them. If your black people came into Africa again to escape persecution from Gentiles, was that when other Jews were also doing the same thing? I mean, after 70 CE when Jerusalem fell to the Romans? Liberia is not a state I have heard of Jews coming from. This is a first. Here is my article on Jewish haplogroups. http://jewishfactsfromportland.blogspot.com/2010/01/jewish-genes-what-haplogroup-could-they.htmlNadene Goldfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01654020384945801380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1787272385367494897.post-34030529463109528002015-11-20T13:13:34.359-08:002015-11-20T13:13:34.359-08:00Most of the information good. But I grow little im...Most of the information good. But I grow little impatience because my people had our identity stolen by so called Jewish. There is NO such thing as the Cohen Modal Haplogroup! Recent DNA evidence has already shown the fake Jew have NO connection to IsraeEL. My father is Hebrew and he is a black man from West Africa(Liberia) so there no way these fakes in Israel can be jews by blood! Thank God I was able to find out my real last name which is Hebrew "Manubah-El" the meaning of the name broken down is<br />(Man=Man) (unbah=one who is wealthy;lord of the house) (El=of God) ! The true Y haplogroup of the Hebrews are E1B1A and all of its subclades! My black people(negroes/Heebos/ /Israelite/Hebrews) came into Africa to escape persecution for hundreds of years from the Gentiles. Please stop the lies!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13872832470075194818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1787272385367494897.post-43563002445850478372014-09-25T17:13:45.177-07:002014-09-25T17:13:45.177-07:00I'm showing that the Palestinians are not Cana...I'm showing that the Palestinians are not Canaanites. What are you trying to say? I know that there never has been a state called Palestine. That's the term picked up by the world for these Arabs. Palestine was the name given to the land after 135 by the Romans who had to fight a 3 year war with Bar Kokhba, the Jewish General who held out against the Romans for 3 years before he was killed. Before 1948, both Jews and Arabs living there were called Palestinians. These same Palestinian Arabs have been trying to say that they are of the original people, the Canaanites. It's not true. The Canaanites did not turn into the Hebraic Nations. There's only one Hebrew nation and that is Israel. Some of the others may have been Semites. Read my newest blog article. http://jewishbubba.blogspot.com/2014/09/names-middle-east-has-gone-by-and-their.htmlNadene Goldfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01654020384945801380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1787272385367494897.post-57257914851076967492014-09-25T07:47:13.091-07:002014-09-25T07:47:13.091-07:00I don't know why are you relaying on Biblical ...I don't know why are you relaying on Biblical Historicity since the whole Canaanites' history there is written of theological anti-paganism and was put on paper somewhere between the 9th-7th Centuries BC at the maximalist view or 6th-5th Centuries BC according to the minimalistic view, while Canaanites who lived in Israel ceased to exist in their Canaanite pagan context around the 11th Century BC. The most of the Canaanites who lived in Southern Canaan (modern day Israel & Transjordan) turned into the Hebraic Nations: Israelites, Ammonites, Moabites and Edomites between the 14th-13th Centuries BC, due to social-political and economical reasons, so their only descendants to live nowadays in the Holy Lands are the Hebrews, or in other words: are the Jews and the Samaritans. <br />Canaan included what today are Lebanon, Israel and the "Palestinian" (was NEVER such a nation or land before 1964/7, even the arabs know that..) territories, northwestern Jordan, and some western areas of Syria. According to archaeologist Jonathan N. Tubb, "Ammonites, Moabites, Israelites and Phoenicians undoubtedly achieved their own cultural identities, and yet ethnically they were all Canaanites", "the same people who settled in farming villages in the region in the 8th millennium BC." <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL-F_MkDy...<br />DXRDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16850728685071379175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1787272385367494897.post-52026306755170105282014-08-06T10:36:25.760-07:002014-08-06T10:36:25.760-07:00It wasn't Jews who told Palestinians to leave ...It wasn't Jews who told Palestinians to leave the land. It was their own leaders, as they were about to attack Israel. They told them to leave and when they won, they could come back. They didn't win and these people were then put into refugee camps where they have remained to this day, though some have been returned. So it was their own greed. They were planning on returning and taking over the Jewish homes. <br />Nadene Goldfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01654020384945801380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1787272385367494897.post-86449701350688846352014-02-07T18:28:51.166-08:002014-02-07T18:28:51.166-08:00Moses died in about 1271 BCE. After he died, Josh...Moses died in about 1271 BCE. After he died, Joshua was the appointed leader and went into Canaan, so you can figure that by the time Jesus appeared on the scene, more than 1,271 years had passed. No, by that time, there were no Canaanites existed and no real Canaanite descendents. Like I said in the article, there may be those of us who carry a few of their genes, however, as some assimilated with the Israelites. Nadene Goldfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01654020384945801380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1787272385367494897.post-33743472610070633192014-02-07T07:13:38.361-08:002014-02-07T07:13:38.361-08:00I am an atheist now so I really don't understa...I am an atheist now so I really don't understand how claims about purported land titles several millennia old apply. It seems that dislodging the modern Palestinians was typical bad human behavior in response to other bad behavior (Hitler's horrors). <br /><br />While an interesting possible history point...Canaan was cursed by Noah...not Hashem according to my reading, but according to other Torah readings the sins of the fathers are only visited unto the 3rd-4th generations. So I'd hope the Canaanites were off the hook by the time the Jews marched to destroy them supposedly for their adherence to other gods (also a sin of every other society on the planet at the time, but the Jews didn't want their land I guess).<br /><br />Also, I realize that Jews may not recognize the New Testament as historical fact, but Jesus spoke to a Canaanite woman who asked for his help and made an analogy of her and her people being dogs while the Jews were the masters in the exchange. I assume people recognized as Canaanites still existed around the time of Christ and subsequently there are likely real Canaanite descendents in the area.<br /><br />Regardless, I liked your article and it was very informative and made me think and study a bit. Thank you!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04218631951366981147noreply@blogger.com